Monday, September 13, 2010

Gimme That Ol' Time Revolution!

Please forgive me for not being OMG EXCITED about the idea that lesbians/bi-/gay people may now be added to the list of those who can go to third world nations, kill their inhabitants, and then aid the US in appropriating all of the natural resources. Removing "Don't Ask. Don't Tell" isn't progress. It's simply propping up the legitimacy of a war-mongering nation. I want revolution, not repeals.

8 comments:

katie said...

THANK YOU. I've been watching all this excitement and just going, "Really? THIS is what we consider victory?"

Lord.

furrycatherder said...

Ya might not like the foreign policy, but equal rights to engage in stupid foreign policy decisions is equal rights.

And Bint, how come I didn't know you live in Naw'lins? I've followed you for years and somehow never knew you were a Yat.

nixwilliams said...

i've gotta agree with you. :/

Laurie said...

Let's start at a local level and then maybe work up to national, eh? Everyone is good at their core and behaves morally in all situations, so you shouldn't need your local police any more than you purport to need your national police - the military. I've always wanted to see those who call the military war mongerers jump on the bandwagon for doing away with local protections and stop being hypocrites.

Laurie said...

I just wanted to point out that this is actually more of a revolution than you might realize. While you are just thinking war/killing/stealing, the reality is that because of the way the military is set up this will speed the ability for homosexuals and lesbians to legally marry and be treated as any other citizen both within and out of the military.

How so?


Regardless of how anyone in the military feels, once a decision is made by the Commander in Chief, everyone falls in line. It's considered a direct order. I'm not going into all the ways a direct order is different from being a mindless zombie, but the bottom line is that the military will immediately begin drafting up plans/classes/integration tools that are mandatory for all personnel. There will be MARADMINS put out on harassment, what it looks like and the punishments for it. FITREPS and whole careers will end if anyone violates that order or creates an unfriendly environment.

Next will be the issue of benefits. The military currently has the best employer benefit system in the United States, with the exception of Congress and the President. Military families are exceptionally well taken care of, as they should be. How will you define military family if they are a same sex couple that isn't married? The government will either have to let ANY self declared "couple" partake in benefits or legalize marriage. I guarantee that will be the next issue up on the block.

Being gay and being able to serve isn't the end game here. Being fully recognized in every state and every way is. While it may take quite a long time for attitudes to change (racism and gender discrimination are still found today), it will get legally better sooner rather than later. And as the generations pass, so will the old attitudes and belief systems.

So I argue that it is in fact progress and revolution. The rest of the war mongering stuff... eh. We will just agree to disagree on that.

bint alshamsa said...

Furrycatherder,

I don't think it's supporting equal rights to fight for the ability to propagate the philosophy that it's okay to kill people that have something you want.

Yeah, I'm down in Southeast Louisiana. I spend my time between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. Where are you?

bint alshamsa said...

Laurie, how is it that stepping on the backs of other marginalized people in order to gain a few more privileges really revolutionary? It's the same old game that has been going on forever and a day.

Furthermore, the idea that once the Commander in Chief says something, everyone falls in line is just wishful thinking. Look at all of the ways that women, though they are allowed to serve, are still treated as second-class soldiers.

Unfortunately, I've also witnessed how untrue it is to say that military families are "exceptionally well taken care of". Look at all of organizations that have had to fight just to get disabled soldiers the kind of health care that they need. And look at how many soldiers have committed suicide due to the PTSD they developed after serving.

Of course, being able to join the forces that kill marginalized people around the world isn't the end game here. It's just a stepping stone and everyone understands that. What I wonder about is whether you realize that what you are willing to step on is just as human and deserving of equal rights as you are.

Proving one's worth by culling the weak isn't revolution and it isn't progress. It's opportunism and exploitation.

bint alshamsa said...

Laurie,

"Let's start at a local level and then maybe work up to national, eh? Everyone is good at their core and behaves morally in all situations, so you shouldn't need your local police any more than you purport to need your national police - the military. I've always wanted to see those who call the military war mongerers jump on the bandwagon for doing away with local protections and stop being hypocrites."

You're quite late! I've already discussed this very idea.

And Who Said the Cops Don't Protect and Serve?

As a matter of fact, I DO think that the police are more of a threat than they are a source of "local protections". It's nothing more than ethnocentrism to believe that this sort of criminal justice system is the only one worth having.